Sunday, 13 June 2010
Where are the black WAGs?
For those not in the know, a WAG is a wife or girlfriend of a famous sports personality, usually a Premiership footballer. The Queen of WAGS is Victoria Beckham, followed hotly on the often Jimmy Choo-ed heels by Cheryl Cole, Coleen Rooney and Alex Curran. The acronym suits. Puppy-dog-esque, like tails, they are the appendages to these footie animals.
I know that my question seems like an odd one to ask, especially when the nation is undertaking the ostensibly more serious enquiry of why there is only one female politician in the Cabinet and whether black female MP Diane Abbott's nomination is mere tokenism. After all, can we really moan the fact that there are no club-hopping, hair-extension wearing, acrylic-nail toting, designer-handbag sporting, Manolo-pointing shallow and dim ladies at the sides of some of the most shallow and probably most promiscuous males in Europe? It’s not as if we are moaning about the lack of black people in the professions, or in business, or even in the fashion industry? Isn’t this debate a bit puerile, I asked myself?
It all started when I saw a black WAG for the first time on reality TV (Chantelle Tagoe, the traded in younger model -wife of Emile Heskey on Come Dine With Me) I wondered, why it was, when three quarters of the Premiership is black, I could not name 5 black WAGs. In fact, I could not name 3. Is it overreaching to find some sort of trend? Does anyone else find this strange? I do not think that the question is an illegitimate one- were the football boot on the other foot- if most English players were all going for black women as soon as they reached the top, we would definitely see a few raised eyebrows. Fact is most people tend to marry and date people of similar backgrounds- what is it about these footballers that make them different?
I decided to start some investigations. I found out that out of all 8 black players on the national England team, only Emile Heskey had a black partner. It definitely isn’t just because white women are perceived as more attractive. Exhibit 1 to disprove this- OOO Jude Cisse- overweight, overbearing and old. Exhibit 2- Rio Ferdinand’s wife. Nuff said.
Uche Nworah, in his very strongly worded 2006 piece “Black Brothers and their White Chicks” on the lack of black female wives and girlfriends, asks what is it about white women and successful black men because he perceives a definite cross over once “brothas” reach the top. He questions whether it is results from a low inferiority complex and poor self esteem, in that a partner is used as access to an ultra conservative English society. He affirms that it should be black women who should be crawling the West End’s boutiques and Soho’s clubs. He lambastes Thierry Henry, Jermaine Defoe, Rio Ferdinand, Christian Therembeau. I share Uche’s curiosity but I must admit that I do not adopt his conclusions. (Nor do I think that either of the aforementioned are good catches). I do not think black women should be fighting for the indignity of crawling clubs after a philandering man or wasting cash on designer labels, (not when they could be raising funds to assist the villages of many of these players' home countries). I also question his access theory- the societies that many of these WAGS belong are not ultra conservative (in fact just the opposite) so it is unlikely that they would be getting the proverbial step up to the polo and golf playing set. I am not sure how dating Jordan and siring a child with her could have possibly improved Dwight Yorke’s self esteem.
I, personally, do not think this is a phenomenon only encountered at the richest end of the spectrum. Statistics show that 50% of black men in the UK are involved in interracial relationships. Perhaps it is merely the culmination and the net effect of being bombarded with pert pink breasts in Nuts magazines (instead of hefty brown ones) and with blonde blue eyed babes being the ultimate objects of desire in most television programmes and films It might be as simple as a question of circumstance. I hardly see any black women in the VIP sections in Mahiki, CC Club and Boujis. Is it just that they cannot pick from what they do not see or encounter?
However, David Matthews, in his Evening Standard piece “Why I prefer to Date White Women” adds a few other factors in the mix. He argues (forcefully) that it has nothing to do with identity issues, unhealthy predilections, self hate and black effacement as some black women wish to allege. (Really?) He states simply, that it primarily is because black women give men a hard time. He cites approachability as the main factor influencing his choice. I must admit that I have seen it sometimes myself- we go to a club, screw when a man comes up to us, check him out surreptiously, ask our friends what they think, all before we decide to accept an offer of a drink. No footballer will put up with that, not when there are a bevy of women, fighting for his attention. Is it because we have too much attitude, too much swagger? There is a good chance that he has a point (although as usual, this is a very sweeping generalisation).
David Matthews also complains that in spite of the sexual posturing of the hip hop videos, most black women are not very comfortable with owning their sexuality and are sometimes even conservative or prude. He moans that we are surprisingly old fashioned. By contrast (he said it, not me), white women are more daring, self assured and adventurous in the bedroom. He adds that our conservatism extends to the dating ritual, making us “scary”. He says most of the black women he meets are obsessed with a man’s earning power but admits that there is a stereotype that most black women are confrontational and belligerent.
Does David Matthews simply mean that black women are less free with sexual favours? This might be a dealbreaker with footballers who expect to bust a nut on the first night, so if this is true, then it might be a factor. However, I must say, from personal experience and the experience of my friends, I think David speaks of a generation 20 years previous. The black women I know are confident in their sexuality and own it. I have also met many conservative white women. I hate stereotypes. He might be right in that because of religious and family backgrounds, we are fairly conservative in the dating ritual- we expect to be treated like ladies, and there is nothing wrong with that. I am not going to apologise. There are, however, many of us who are ladettes and give men a run from the money from the word go. We are not a monolithic group of people. On the “obsession” with money, the number of black women who hold down a home by themselves far exceeds the national average. A single black woman needs a partner not a burden. It might be that we may be more direct about a man’s earning power but from the reality TV shows I have seen, nothing about Danielle Lloyd’s shopping habits suggests that she is any less obsessed.
I suspect the truth lies somewhere in between. As a pro footballer earning 80,000 pounds a week, you probably would want the best car money could buy, live in the best house money could buy, and by extension, shag the best women money could buy. All of these things depend on perception- the best car is the one everyone wants, the best postcode is the most enviable one. The definition of that "best" woman necessarily depends on societal and peer expectations. Men feel like men when they are dating the one everyone else wants to date. Black men are no different. It may also be a product of circumstance. There are very few black women I know of (other than Charley Uchea) who would put themselves out of the way to visit Faces in Essex to be picked up by a footballer. There are even fewer who would put up with the behaviour of these men. I honestly cannot see a black woman in the role of a longsuffering wife who would maintain a stony silence in the face of blatant philandering a la Tony Poole, Coleen Rooney, Cheryl Cole and Victoria Beckham. There would be a lot of aggro and yes, aggression.
At the end of the day, people love who they love and I am cool with that. As long as preferences are not justified by the assertion that black women in general are lacking in some way, I am happy. In the grand scheme of things it really does not matter but it did put a smile on my face when I saw Shaun Wright-Phillips had a black girlfriend- Sian Owen - professional ballet dancer.
That Kenywn Jones married his childhood sweetheart Avalon (to the right) and they have three beautiful children.
That Andy Cole married his girlfriend Shirley in 2002.
That William Gallas is married to Nadege Gallas.
It might seem unimportant to some but when reports are rife about the broken black families in the UK, it helps that a few of the idolised few at the top are proving that there is nothing wrong with us or with having a black family.
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Oh lord, where do I even start with this topic.
ReplyDeleteI think I should be more worried about the lack of black faces in parliament like you say.
But I think this is the crux of the argument
"The definition of that "best" woman necessarily depends on societal and peer expectations. Men feel like men when they are dating the one everyone else wants to date."
I think this is exactly the reason why the majority of footballers date blond WAGS. It is sad that they can't think for themselves and break the mould once in a while (notice also the lack of Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern or Mixed-race WAGS). I respect those who buck the trend.
We should definitely be more worried about lack of female faces in Parliament but given the World Cup :) I think it is worth asking. I think this is the first time I have really sat and thought about it.
ReplyDeleteSoon instead of give peace a chance, it will be give a black/asian/middle eastern chick a chance ;) But I certainly don't feel strongly about it.
It is possible that the media represents a one sided view to footballers' lifestyles to suit their audience and what they feel comfortable with. Perhaps there isn't all that focus on footballers with black wifes and girlfriends because journalists may not know exactly what to talk about without sounding offensive or racist to black audiences.It seems easier and possibly more politically correct (and entertaining to me) to slag off a white WAG if she is too thin, too tanned,spends too much money or if she is cheated on etc. Also the lives of Colleen Rooney and Posh Spice et al are probably more identifiable with a white audience?
ReplyDeleteAs for Black footballers with white WAGS-I use to be in a frenzy about it because of the message I thought it signified ie that black women were not good enough. AL Sharpton, the american civil rights activist, said of the Tiger Woods scandal something to the effect that it would have been nice if Tiger had slept with black women so that they would be the ones profiting the millions from selling their stories. Sounds a bit ludicrous but I can see his point-black women deserve to be wined and dined and blinged up in fine style too. It would be nice if some black footballers would have black partners so that their off spring could have access to the best education money can buy so that they would have better prospects in life. For example, their black kids might be able to attend Eton etc and hopefully landing fantastic high paying careers thus helping to improve the poverty in the black community even if a little.
Anyway perhaps it is true that it depends on the circles that these footballers move within that has an impact on their choice of partners.
As for me a black woman ,I would not want to date someone just because he is black and rich.He may be a pr**k! So too a black footballer does not have to date a black woman because she is black. I am over it now!
"I am not sure how dating Jordan and siring a child with her could have possibly improved Dwight Yorke’s self esteem."
ReplyDeleteSimply put Akima, it's all in the mind.
The topic of the lack of black WAGS may seem superficial but the subtexts of race, sex, and class are very real and pertinent in our daily lives.
Many black folks believe that ANY association with whites makes one better. Just merely comingling with whites makes many black people feel superior to other blacks instantly. So having children with whites makes one's family lighter, brighter (pun intended), more beautiful, and the heavens will open up to thee. The bloodline have been saved from the scourge of blackness. One can hold his/her head up high --- "I have white in mih family, yuh know".
It's all some plantation stuff, I know. But it's real. Think of all the ass-kissing negroes many of us know on the job, how they behave with THEM vs US. Think of how some black folks act with their mixed progeny, or light-skinned kin as opposed to their dark-skinned kin.
People still hold a lot of stock in color. So fellas like Dwight Yorke are not an anomaly.
@Anon, I agree that lots of it is media depiction- maybe their lives are not as interesting, it might be that they are much more ordinary and lead fairly ordinary lives. Yup, they might be hesitant at "slagging" them off- fearful that it might be deemed as as some sort of affront to black people. And we know how black people are easily insulted sometimes. To be fair, they dont often feature Rio Ferdinand's wife who is more homely. I think the point of wealth distribution and access is a good one- but I think of it more as a question of example. Also African Wags I think would probably have a greater affinity to "home" and would probably lead up charitable projects in a bigger way. Thats my guess anyway. I hate to see Jude Cisse wasting Djibril's money on crap when it could be reinvested in so many other good initiatives.
ReplyDelete@Ronnie, yes- maybe I overestimate our people and give them the benefit of the doubt. You are right, some people think that by immediate association they gain something- sad, post colonial mentality. Yep and its true, some people think that by having a light skinned or mixed race child they have achieved something extraordinary. So yes, it does exist you are correct. Maybe I give them more credit than they deserve.
So funny and ironic that I just commented on this and started reading my copy of Grazia. They featured Sonia Booth 31- a black WAG who is married to the team's only white player :) Love it. Now if only Lampard will dump Beakley and take note. She admits to no chauffeur r diva behaviour but that of course she would like to dress in designer labels. SA players make about 1900 sterling a week.
ReplyDeleteThe England Team have two mixed race WAGs. Emile Heskeys WAG looks mixed race to me. Matthew Upson's WAG is mixed race Ellie Darby. Saw her on WAGS in South Africa - much hotter than Beckhams bony women or Colleen. white.
ReplyDeleteI'm mixed race, and if I date a white girl, I dont think I'm dating any more or less outside my race than if I date a black girl. The only girl thats the same race as me is mixed race.
Lennon and Ashley are both mixed race, so dont think there breaking any mould.
I was brought by my white mum (dads jamaican and left her shortly after I was born) and her extended all white family. I live in a white area, my friends are white, and I've only ever had white girlfriends. This is not out of any preference, but living in a rural area (Shropshire) I only meet white girls!
Its nothing to do with not liking mixed race or black girls, or self-hate. I like living in Shropshire, and there are not many black people.
@Anon I guess that's the problem with assigning people to narrowly defined groups- I had not realised that Ellie Darby was mixed race.
ReplyDeleteTrue @Lennon and Ashley but I don't see many messages on boards referring to the fact that they are both mixed race, I think lots of England regard them as black.
You seem to confirm that it is all about environment, and yes we can overanalyse and scrutinise- don't worry, we don't expect you to come down to Peckham and Brixton to find a chick. Love is love. Its all academic at the end of the day.
It is a fact, prominent black men tend to choose white girls to black girls.Maybe there is a link to this about what Frank Fanon said about slaves "All a black slave wanted was to be white like his master. Whatever these black men's justificaion might be,maybe deep down they want to be white as Fanon stated and the only way they could come closer to fulfilling that wish is to have a white wife/girlfriend
ReplyDeleteI think it is to do with the circle you are in, and as much as some people like to think they are a leader and not a follower, the majority of human kind are like sheep! we follow what others are doing and want to be in the "in crowd", "keep up with the Jones'" especially if you have been taken from poverty into a world of glamour, fast cars, expensive houses and so on. but then think of yourself as a female black footballer, being well paid, well looked after can afford anything you want and white very attractive, sexy men are giving you lots of attention! this topic has been going on for decades and will go on for decades more, well after I'm dead most probably. Lets just hope that in a 100 years when those mixed raced kids have babies by a white partner and so on that those kids don't look at their skin thinking they are pure white and go and work for some racist party!..no seriously I am a black woman and iam so over it, life is too short...I would also like to add i know a lot of black successful women who are dating white sucessful men simply because they met them through work!
ReplyDeleteI cant BELIEVE this discussion has carried on this long without anyone stating the gigantic obvious truth: african and mixed-race women are simply much less physically attractive than white women. Mind you, there are a lot of shockingly unattractive white women too. But if you are a famous, rich footballer and want the best of the best - then it is white women. Does nobody in this discussion actually KNOW any men personally? Almost all men I know are open about the fact that they simply are less attracted to non-white girls. Nuff said, right?
ReplyDeleteIf I find a person less physically attractive, it does not mean that I despise them, think them unworthy to live in society, or wish them harm. In the same sense, it should be completely uncontroversial that men of all races find (on average) white women to be more attractive.
And I cannot BELIEVE you are going to posit such a silly assertion. I hope that you are being ironic and/or this is a wind up.
ReplyDeleteWhat a silly post from the previous ANON. Not everyone wants a pale washed out white woman, who does not have the amazing body that a black woman has or beautiful skin tone.
ReplyDeleteI love the comment on mixed race children, having children with white partners, and over a few generations their black heritage being forgotten.
This has already happened, from when mixed race blacks in US and Europe passing themselves off as white. Ryan Giggs is a quarter black, and would have had no problem passing as white.
They reckon most Americans who claim to have Indian blood are wrong, and it was a mixed race person putting their exotic looks down to some Indian ancestry.
Hey new Anon- he is allowing us to fall into the same trap he set for himself. No race is more beautiful than the other race- its all a matter of personal preference. Not all white women are pale and washed out, and not all black women have banging bodies and amazing skin tone. We are all beautiful and all different so while I prefer a slab of oozing dark chocolate, that does not mean black men are more handsome ;)
ReplyDeleteBlack people are so funny about this "having a bit of Indian" or "mix" or "Portuguese". They flaunt it so much. Then we wonder why these men are not checking for us. xx
Clearly no-one here thinks in the only sense meaningful in which to discuss large, societal phenomena: the statistical sense. Obviously there are SOME guys who don't find white women to be, on average, more attractive than black women. But the majority DO. Like I said earlier - it just takes a little chat to some 50 odd equal-age members of the male population to notice that the vast majority prefer white women. If you know a lot of people who prefer black women - then you are hanging out with a very non-representative slice of the population (like measuring body fat % at a gym: tells you nothing about body fat % of the general population). Using nice language to describe ones personal preference for black women and their "amazing skin tone" does absolutely nothing to change this fact.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, because its not PC, there is very little research done in the field of differential beauty as a function of race - so every time this topic comes up people start over again. Always debating against the obvious elephant in the middle of the room.
Well please cite your statistics and scientific evidence and we can discuss and have an academic discussion. So far you have cited none- I can point you towards the Cardiff pyschology study that actually concluded that on average people found mixed race (not white, not black) people most attractive.
ReplyDeletePoint is we can cite as much as the cows come home, the FACT is that social conditioning plays a very important role in what most people cite as "pretty". We have colonialised even people's minds (hence reason even people in Japan whiten their skin). To obtain a scientific analysis of what is deemed beautiful- we would have to remove this factor, which means conducting a study under the same variables in all different parts of the world where Western images have not assaulted us. I assure you that the result will not be the same throughout. If you have found evidence to the contrary, please bring them to the table.
All I can say, is that the kinky in my hair, the ridge of my "backs", the fullness of my lips, the sway in my hips are all beautiful in the eyes of the people I encounter (in ALL environments)and I certainly have not ever suffered from any inferiority complex that any other race is more beautiful than I am. And I would like to hope that all the other proud sistas who read this blog, not only feel, but KNOW this. Fact.
This is ridiculous @ first "racist" anon - perhaps you have yet to develop the mental capacity to realise that the reason there are none/limited studies done over beauty is because it is a highly subjective thing, with most people expressing a preference for people of their own race - hence why the majority of black and white men are still in same race relationships.
ReplyDeleteAt most, scientific studies have concluded that certain features have universal appeal -these are linked to non racial attributes such as symetrical features, big eyes etc and nothing to do with race in itself.
Perhaps you should attempt to hone your reasoning capacities before attempting to argue with people who are at a more advanced stage of development than you. Do you really think "a little chat to some 50 odd equal-age members of the male population" equals scientific research? More importantly, perhaps you are the one hanging out with a non representative slice of the population - am sure having a chat with 50 odd equal-age members of the racist male population will yield the "scientific" fact that most men prefer white women.
I think the only pink elephant in this room is YOU- as they say, it is better to keep quiet and let people think that you are a fool, than to open your mouth and confirm it. Please stop before you embarass yourself any further.
I don't think the person who wrote that men find black women less attractive has been to any black clubs as a lot of them are very attractive and have fantastic figures. You are living in another decate mate!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI have just read all the comments, what an idiot. If you are a white woman who wrote this, please don't be naive, a lot of it is to do with circumstances and media attention to white people in general. Stop thinking you are a queen sitting on a throne! at the end of the day if a black man or black woman prefers their partner to be of a different race then that is their personal choice, black leaders such as Martin Lurther King made it possible. Anyway I come from a very large black family, loads of cousins, uncles and aunts and only three of them are actually in mixed raced relationships.
ReplyDeleteIf black men did prefer white wome (which iam sure some do) why are there still so many black children being born on a daily basis! also when you desire something..I know i have got to have it no matter what people think so I am sure if the majority preferred white women they would not keep it a secret! life is too short and you only get one!
Eat all the fruits in the fruit bowl that's what I say, Yum Yum! although havent tried an oriental man yet....willy look too small!
ReplyDeletelol@candy. Dont worry- I will deal with perceptions of this thing in a subsequent blogpost.
ReplyDeleteCompletely cosign with Heavenimac!!! Everything I could have said.
@Heavenii : I have always thought that everybody knew this, so I haven't actually bookmarked any studies as such... although after googling for about two-and-a-half seconds I found the following study
ReplyDeletehttp://entertainment.wagerweb.com/wtf/study-says-blonde-women-are-more-attractive-aggressive-19364.html
I am sure there are more. You must understand that for me personally, I have no links to any studies claiming that the sky is blue. I have just always thought that everyone took this as pretty obvious and therefore I keep no bookmarks on the subject. The same goes for the fact that black women are found to be less attractive in general. I am not saying that I am 100% right, or that I have any particular liking for the one result over any others. Things are the way they are, I am largely expressing _my understanding of the situation as it is_ instead of expressing _my approval of the situation as it is_. There is a huge difference between these two.
@ Kimaspeak : The _point_ that I made earlier (that almost no male acquaintances that I have talked to find black women as physically attractive as white women) does not change. I am still very surprised that many people treat this subject as "new" or get such strong emotions about it.
@ Heavenii again : as for symmetry and eye size, whilst it is true that such things contribute to perceived beauty, there is absolutely no evidence suggesting that certain biological variables (such as eye-size) would be immune to evolution. Blacks and whites and, indeed, all groups have evolved such that they have a slightly different gene pool. Gene pools carry different genes in differing frequencies. Almost all parts of the body derive their structure and physiology from a large number of genes. The probability therefore, that any single organ would be identically constructed planet-wide, is absolutely minimal. Racial differences are, contrary to widespread belief, NOT limited to skin colour. Again, this is _the lay of the land_, and NOT my _approval/disapproval of the lay of the land_. All in all, there may be a biological preference for certain genes which construct a certain appearance. One fallout of this, is that whites may on average be more attractive than blacks.
Be happy =)
@ Anonymous ^^ - I should have taken my own advice and not argued with fools. I cannot even begin to unravel your convoluted logic let alone try to argue with you without adopting or engaging with your base reasoning skills or warped logic.
ReplyDeleteThe study you posted (which again is neither empirical nor scientific!!) specifically compares blondes against brunettes and redheads (infer: not black women!)- perhaps if you spent more than 2.5 secs googling and reading about the "facts" that you clearly take for granted you would be able to offer valid arguments for your views and challenge your "common sense" beliefs. As they say, common sense is not so common so I will stop here.
I dont blame you for your views, having had this brief opportunity to understand how your mind works. Infact, I am pretty glad that you and your friends find white women more attractive than black women - black women have had enough setbacks without being saddled with men like you. I can only pity the white women who end up in a partnership with you and any children that you may have as a result of this pairing- I gather that you yourself are a black man, so I just hope if you ever have a daughter you do not pass any of your common sense views on to her.
Note: I have nothing against interracial dating but I have a problem with those who hate their own skin and race and fail to see the beauty of their mothers, sisters or daughters.
Actually I am not a black male, but I don't want to get into the whole ad hominem thing so lets steer clear of that.
ReplyDeleteAnyways, if blondes are statistically viewed as more attractive than brunettes - surely you must admit that this allows the possibility of one race (any one race) being statistically viewed as more attractive than one other race (as gauged by some reference group, need not necessarily be members belonging to either of the two 'ordered' groups).
Again, this is not my opinion. This is my attempt to understand the way the world works. Please do not be offended if you disagree with the way I have reasoned on the topic, there is simply nothing constructive in that.
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hmmm Ok so let me get this straight - to you blondes are a different race to brunettes??!!
ReplyDeleteIf this is the result of your attempts to understand the way the world works you should consider this a humongous FAIL :)
I am not at all offended - like I said before having gained an insight into the way you think it really is quite futile trying to reason with you. I am done going back and forth - I suggest you use this exercise to understand that they way you see the world is very different from the way others see the rest of the world. Because you and your cronies do not find black women attractive - does not mean others dont. In fact, many do.
No, I do not mean that blondes and brunettes form a "race". They do, however, form a group sharing a certain appearance type. These two groups, having slightly different appearance types, turned out to attract men to different extents.
ReplyDeleteThe mutatis mutandis extrapolation that you were meant to make was the following: if different races (such as in our case europeans and africans) can be placed into two groups in a study - each sharing some appearance types - one of these may then turn out to attract more men. In the same way as the blondes attracted more men than brunettes.
Furthermore, if I (in a study) divided the group "Asians" into west-Asians and east-Asians, I might find a difference in how attractive they are viewed etc etc etc...
i have been reading ur views and comments and i have to confirm that most people do not like to hear the truth, even when the ask for it.
ReplyDeleteI am a 25 year old black british, born in london from tipically african parents.
I have grown up around all races as we see in london, is one of the few multicultural cities in the world.
to be honest, i cannot stand typical african mentality, i tried dating a few african men but we had nothing in common.
I can only date who i feel comfortable with, and someone we share interests.
I like watching eastenres and coronation street, I love cuddling and showing my emotions and I want someone like me. whether that person is black or white, is not an issue.
Black people, women especially make an issue about black men dating white women, they should ask themselves why and do something about it.
Its not about the skin colour, itd the mentality and the majority of black women have a different mentality, attitude and lack ambition.
a lot of black women are too hard, lazy rude and loud, and no man wants that, black or white.
Black women tend to act like men ratehr than women, and control the relationship when they should be women and let the man be and feel like a man, which is what white women do.
Black women don't respect their men, but demand respect. They don't listen to their men but want to be listened to and if they see a soft acting sistah they call her white!
They are not sensitive or emotional, they say that's white girl stuff.
They don't show men love or affection cos they see this as a weakness, dont blame brothers when they go looking for it else where.
Fix up, look in the mirror, be women and let men be men, maybe then then things will change.
When a black footballer
Didier Drogba and samuel Etoo are the best of the bests in the world and are married to black women.Didier is taller,better looking and more succesful than almost all black footballers in uk(defoe,ashley cole,sol campbell,......).If black women are good enough for Drogba,surely they must be good enough for a defoe,a rio,etc.....
ReplyDeleteThis topic is sooooo drawn out! My gosh! When people say "black women" I wish they would be specific. The majority of west indian women I know (and I grew up in the islands) are not hard, rude and want to be men and controlling. In fact it is a whole different ball game here in the UK. I was surprised when I came to the UK and associated with certain BRITISH BLACK PEOPLE- I found the attitutes so different to where I'm from. Maybe it is because of the atmosphere or something. As for the "african mentality"-that again is a stereotype because I'm met lovely african women and the men of all races who are happy to be with them. I am proud of my caribbean black womaness and I wish that before people make generalised statements they come and see how the other half live.
ReplyDeleteIn fact there are grenadian (and other west indian) black women that would give women in women in the UK a run for their money in class, attitudes and beauty. I dont even know why I am commenting on this.
And as to this other anonymous (the racist fool), you should get out more- travel around and you will see that the majority of people in the world are not white and thus white opinion only really matter up the borders of the white continents. As a matter of fact, stay where you are because people outside do not want to be polluted with your diatribe. If the black british women want to feel inferior, that is their problem- I'm so glad I know better having an outside perspective!
Blah...now back to doing something constructive.
In response to the earlier Anonymous:
ReplyDelete",......).If black women are good enough for Drogba,surely they must be good enough for a defoe,a rio,etc..... "
Could this be part of the problem? Even when "raising up" Black women it is on a good enough as compared to someone else's choice.
When Ashley went out with ms cole who as race issues,got a career off the back of it. Defoe and other black players went out with ms Lloyd who as race issues , Will iam helping ms cole with her career. Would any of them of stood by a black woman if she was in the same boat? No. They sold us for 30 pieces of sliver, and thats getting them in papers. Not black women. Remember thats what happend years ago to put some of us into slavery. History repeating its self. Sending a message loud and clear to the English media and world. Anything ,but not black. So all you can do is to ensure you don't fail as mothers or has a black women when raising your children. Go out with who you like, but when you need to stand up you do that. Don't be brought for the price of fame. Because lets hope when people need to stand up for you they are there. Then the above want to be calling them selfs role modles to our kids, but will sell them in a heart beat. Espeacillay if they are black girls.
ReplyDeleteTO SITE SORRY.I WAS GOING TO WRITE HOW BLACK WOMEN ARE THOUGHT OF AND SEEN, BUT EVERYONE KNOWES.IT WOULDN'T HELP JUST MAKE THINGS WORST FOR YOU AND ME (SORRY). HAS LONG AS I REMEMBER THE PRIDE MUM, GRAN, GREATGRAN SAID ABOUT MY COLOUR, SAY WHAT YOU WANT. I WILL WEAR MY SKIN HAS A BADGE OF HONOUR. TO REMEMBER THOSE WHO DIED BECAUSE OF THEIRS. IT'S THE ONE THING I TRUELY OWN,AND MUST NEVER BE ASHAMED OF. OTHER WISE, I'M SEEN HAS NOTHING WILL BE NOTHING. SO HOLD YOUR HEAD UP HIGH, KEEP SMILING AND BE HAPPY.
ReplyDeleteisn't it simply because white girls are hotter?
ReplyDeleteI'm neither black nor white but I find black girls really NOT even OK. So I give right to these players to think likewise
There is a saying in Yoruba, he who as never seen another farm will always think his father`s farm is the biggest. I guess the guy that thinks White women are prettier as not lived in non white societies. Because if he as he would realize that the idea of beauty is varied around the World.
ReplyDeleteOn this black wag issue, I believe sometimes we need to do things for the sake of the community rather than just for ourselves. If all successful black men marry white chicks, which is pretty much the case in England, then obviously there is no hope of black middle class families growing in numbers. Rather than raise black kids they raise mixed race kids that will never date a black woman. The spending power of these men always goes back to the white community as most mixed or 1/4 mixed black men always marry white. Black women are left to deal with life as single parents without the spending power that a successful black partner would be providing. The Black community is the one losing out, Our stars are not good role model, we don`t see them showing the kids that its cool for Black successful men to date black women. They actually perpetuate the circle of self hate and economic stagnation that continues to eat away our sense of self pride. Look at most black women today, they all want to have long straight hair like white women.
Trust me if a black star wanted to date a black girl, he would have no problems what so ever. There are so many nice and polite black women out there and that`s coming from a guy that as dated mostly White girls. When white footballers go clubbing they don`t go to a predominantly black or asian club, no they go to a club that is mostly white, because that is what they want. Black girls love successful men even more so than white girls, so what is stopping our black heros from dating them? I can think of no other reason other than the fact that they believe it`s a white man`s World and they want to belong in that World. Self hate is a big problem in the black community. Black Americans are aware of it while we in the UK are still in denial. I just wish that someday we can overcome it before it consumes us.
Thank God for the African footballers - Toure(s), Drogba, Kalou etc who mostly all have black partners (there are black footballers playing in the Premiership I could name too - (Heskey, Clichy, Vieira...). The game has moved on since black women didn't benefit from the billion-pound industry. There are plenty of black 'WAGs' out there, they just aren't bothered about being in the papers and have more of a control, discretion and mutual respect going on with their footballer partners.
ReplyDeleteAlso, all2538 - you're a d*ck!